Bummer!
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bo198214 Wrote:...
the conjecture about the equality of the 3 methods of tetration is shattered.
I received an e-mail of Dan Asimov where he mentions that the continuous iterations of \( b^x \) at the lower and upper real fixed points, \( b=\sqrt{2} \), differ! He, Dean Hickerson and Richard Schroeppel found this arround 1991, however there is no paper about it.
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Shame! 18 years without advances. There should be a paper about it. Let us submit one right now!

bo198214 Wrote:...
The numerical computations veiled this fact because the differences are in the order of \( 10^{-24} \).
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It is beacuse you stay at the real axis. Get out from the real axis, and you have no need to deal with numbers of order of \( 10^{-24} \).

bo198214 Wrote:...
So the first lesson is: dont trust naive numerical verifcations. We have to reconsider the equality of our 3 methods and I guess there will show up differences too.
What about the range of holomorphism of each of the 3 functions you mention?
How about their periodicity? Do they have periods?

Below, for base \( b=sqrt{2} \), I upload the plots of two functions:

\( F_{b,4} \) which is \( (\mathbb{C}, 0 \mapsto 3) \) superfunciton of \( \exp_b \) such that \( F_{b,4}(z^*)=F_{b,4}(z)^* ~\forall z \in \mathbb{C} \) and \( F_{b,4}(z+T_4)=F_{b,4}(z)^*~\forall~ z \in \mathbb{C} \) where \( T_4=2\pi i/ \ln(2\ln(2)) \) .

\( F_{b,2} \) which is \( (D, 0 \mapsto 3) \) superfunciton of \( \exp_b \) such that \( F_{b,2}(z^*)=F_{b,2}(z)^* ~\forall z \in D \) and \( F_{b,2}(z+T_2)=F_{b,2}(z)^*~\forall~ z \in D \), where \( T_2=2\pi i/ \ln(\ln(2)) \) ; at least for \( D=\{ z\in \mathbb{C}:~\Re(z)>2 \} \) .


   
   
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In the first plot, the lines
\( p=\Re(F_{b,4}(x+ i y)= \)const
\( q=\Im(F_{b,4}(x+ i y)= \)const
are shown. Thick curves correspond to integer valuse of p and q.

In the second plot, the lines
\( p=\Re(F_{b,2}(x+ i y)= \)const
\( q=\Im(F_{b,2}(x+ i y)= \)const
are shown. Thick curves correspond to integer valuse of p and q.
The dashed lines show the cuts.

On the third plot, the difference \( F_{b,4}(x)-F_{b,2}(x)) \) is shown in the same notations. The plot of this difference along the real axis is below:
   
Dashed: \( y=F_{b,4}(x) \)
Thin: \( y=F_{b,2}(x) \)
Thick: My approximation for \( y=10^{25}(F_{b,4}(x)-F_{b,2}(x)) \)

I suspect, each of functions \( F_{b,4} \) and \( F_{b,2} \) is unique.

P.S. Henryk, could you please help me to handle the sizes of the figures?
I think, the same size would be better.
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Messages In This Thread
Bummer! - by bo198214 - 10/05/2007, 10:18 AM
RE: Bummer! - by Gottfried - 10/05/2007, 10:56 AM
RE: Bummer! - by bo198214 - 10/05/2007, 11:17 AM
RE: Bummer! - by bo198214 - 10/06/2007, 07:05 AM
RE: Bummer! - by bo198214 - 10/06/2007, 09:18 AM
RE: Bummer! - by nuninho1980 - 05/29/2011, 09:37 PM
RE: Bummer! - by bo198214 - 05/29/2011, 10:11 PM
RE: Bummer! - by nuninho1980 - 05/30/2011, 01:13 AM
RE: Bummer! - by sheldonison - 05/30/2011, 03:25 PM
RE: Bummer! - by bo198214 - 05/31/2011, 09:05 AM
RE: Bummer! - by JmsNxn - 05/31/2011, 09:06 PM
RE: Bummer! - by sheldonison - 06/01/2011, 03:03 AM
RE: Bummer! - by bo198214 - 06/01/2011, 01:16 PM
RE: Bummer! - by jaydfox - 10/07/2007, 04:26 PM
RE: Bummer! - by bo198214 - 10/07/2007, 06:16 PM
RE: Bummer! - by jaydfox - 10/07/2007, 07:48 PM
RE: Bummer! - by jaydfox - 10/15/2007, 08:36 PM
RE: Bummer! - by bo198214 - 11/02/2007, 08:30 PM
RE: Bummer! - by jaydfox - 11/02/2007, 10:31 PM
RE: Bummer! - by bo198214 - 11/02/2007, 11:06 PM
RE: Bummer! - by jaydfox - 11/07/2007, 02:22 PM
RE: Bummer! - by bo198214 - 11/07/2007, 02:27 PM
RE: Bummer! - by jaydfox - 11/26/2007, 04:37 PM
RE: Bummer! - by jaydfox - 11/04/2007, 02:24 AM
RE: Bummer! - by bo198214 - 11/06/2007, 11:33 AM
RE: Bummer! - by jaydfox - 11/04/2007, 02:32 AM
RE: Bummer! - by jaydfox - 11/06/2007, 01:34 PM
RE: Bummer! - by bo198214 - 11/06/2007, 02:06 PM
RE: Bummer! - by Gottfried - 11/07/2007, 08:32 AM
RE: Bummer! - by jaydfox - 11/08/2007, 02:16 AM
RE: Bummer! - by bo198214 - 11/08/2007, 01:14 PM
RE: Bummer! - by jaydfox - 11/09/2007, 04:59 AM
RE: Bummer! - by jaydfox - 11/09/2007, 05:12 AM
RE: Bummer! - by bo198214 - 11/12/2007, 08:45 PM
RE: Bummer! - by jaydfox - 11/13/2007, 08:36 AM
RE: Bummer! - by jaydfox - 11/09/2007, 07:04 AM
RE: Bummer! - by jaydfox - 11/13/2007, 01:47 AM
RE: Bummer! - by bo198214 - 11/13/2007, 10:36 AM
RE: Bummer! - by jaydfox - 11/13/2007, 02:23 PM
RE: Bummer! - by bo198214 - 11/13/2007, 02:41 PM
Bummer conclusio - by bo198214 - 03/12/2008, 09:20 PM
RE: Bummer! - by Kouznetsov - 04/18/2009, 12:46 PM
RE: Bummer! - by andydude - 04/21/2009, 08:28 PM
RE: Bummer! - by bo198214 - 04/21/2009, 09:02 PM
RE: Bummer! - by andydude - 04/22/2009, 11:33 PM
RE: Bummer! - by bo198214 - 04/23/2009, 08:39 AM
RE: Bummer! - by bo198214 - 04/23/2009, 09:01 AM
RE: Bummer! - by Kouznetsov - 04/18/2009, 11:24 AM



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